A couple of posts ago we mentioned that we had a special article to appear soon regarding buying a brand new ’65 Mustang from a dealership. Well, we now have that interview’s transcript for you. Here is a rare and incredible story that spans over some 50 years for a one owner Mustang from new. The owner of this Mustang bought the car new from a Ford Dealership Nelson Hirschberg Inc. in Chicago. His name is David, we shall refer to him as DL for his side of the story. This is a fascinating insight to all those years ago.
Background is that DL is an architect by trade and was working temporarily over in the USA during 1965.
MM: how did you come to the decision to buy a Mustang?
DL: I was living in Chicago at the time and I was working on the 8th floor of the building. When you looked out the window there was a vacant plot which was being used as a car park. Around June 1965 there some guy who must have been working in a block nearby who had just bought a brand new 2 + 2 Fastback. I could see his car park there every day, I thought that’s a rather nice car, I wouldn’t mind having one of those. So a couple of months later I bought one.
MM: What was it like going into the showroom to buy one? Were they falling over themselves to sell you the car or did they just say; do you want it or not? How did it work?
DL: I was talking it over with a colleague at work that we were thinking of buying a Mustang. He recommended this Ford dealership up in North Chicago. We drove there and asked for a test drive. I said, We will have one of these. He said OK, what colour do you want? I decided that I wanted a dark metallic blue and also decided to go for a small engine, just he straight 6 as we were going to bring the car back here (UK). So I thought for the English roads, bearing in mind the only motorway that was open was the M1 I think, and this was way before the M25 was built. So for the English roads I didn’t need a whacking great v8 engine, so I settled for the 3 ¼ litre i6.
MM: So when you were in the dealership, did they give you a book with all the options in it to choose from?
DL: I said that I wanted a dark blue fastback 2+2 with automatic transmission; we also had white wall tyres option on the original 13” wheels for the first 3 or 4 years. They didn’t have a car in stock I wanted, so they checked with the other 10 or so dealers in Chicago where they found one. So two or three days later it was ready. Back then we were driving and old ’55 Chevy which we drove there left it with them and drove away in the Mustang. I cost me $2,800, which in those days was a fixed rate conversion of $2.8 to the £1, so that Mustang cost me £1,000.
DL: Yes £1,000.
MM: When you went to pick the keys up did they make a big fan fare out of it for you, or didn’t they care as they (Mustangs) were selling well?
DL: They were a big Ford dealership at the time who was selling half a dozen cars a day. As far as they were concerned I was just another customer.
DL seen with is much-loved car he has had from new.
DL’s Original sales document and the matching door tag for the car.
Then roughly 12 months after we bought the car (1966), we came back via ocean liner. They put the car in the hold of the ship by a big crane with a cradle and lowered it into the hold of the ship. It wasn’t a drive on / drive off then. It was quite a new ship, the SS France.
Our first port of call was going to be my wife’s parents in Germany, so we got off at Le Havre in France where the ship terminated. We arrived quite late at night if I remember rightly. The process to unload the car was then done in reverse, they craned the car out of the ship’s hold onto the dock side for us. We had two small children in those days. In the 2+2 the back seats fold down to give a little platform. When the children were small, we just used to put a couple a pillows there (the rear shelf platform) and a blanket for them to go to sleep on. This was before the requirement of seat belts and so on of course. We just travelled around the country side like that.
MM: That’s just amazing.
DL: Since the car has been here in the UK it has been garaged for all of its 50 years. In fact I have done over 200,000 miles in that car. I only sold it a couple of weeks ago in fact. As I have retired I was only doing 300 or 400 hundred miles a year in it which only came out high days and holidays sort of thing. It seemed a shame to keep it in a garage and hardly use it. So I thought it was time to sell it and move on. In fact I sold it to the guy who done some body work on it for me 20 years ago where the original wheel arches had rusted. At that time we did it up fixed the wheel arches and gave it a complete respray. I should imagine he will do it up and sell it on now.
MM: Can you tell us about how you got to go to the World Fair 1965?
DL: We flew from Chicago to New York to go to the World Fair in 1965 which was a really big event. There were all these fancy pavilions, English, French, Italian countries and so on, Ford, General Motors pavilions, and we spend the whole day there.
Thinking about it our daughter had her first birthday while we were there in New York. At the event you could hire these little push cars with handles on them for the little ones, so we pushed her around in that, it was more of a day out for us.
MM: What was the Ford stand like?
DL: I said to my wife lets pop in where they had lots of new shiny Mustangs on show. We told them that we had just bought a Mustang a couple of weeks ago. They said to us hang on a minute; I gave them my state registration number and they gave us a little tag with our reg plate on which went on your key ring. In fact it was still on the key-ring when I gave Adam the keys to the car, it has been on there for 50 years, the wording has rubbed of a bit now though. They tapped it all out in a couple of minutes while I waited.
This isn’t DL’s actual tag, but one very similar.
MM: So your car has been over here ever since 1966?
DL: Yes all that time, in fact I used it to drive to work and back every day.
MM: How did you get on with servicing it while it was over here?
DL: I think it was Dagenham motors who had a base in Wembley where it took it for the first few years for a service. In recent years it was taken to a guy who specialises in American cars, so he would do anything needed at the time, they have closed down now though. For the first few years it didn’t really need anything. The first thing after 10 years to go was the gearbox. There was a place in Welling Garden City at the time with a couple of guys in their 50’s, they just specialised in automatic gearboxes. They put in a new gearbox for me and it’s been going perfectly ever since. Again they are not there anymore.
MM: Was it was a straight replacement?
DL: Yes, it still works fine. The only problem I have had in recent years after they put in the new gear box for me 40 years ago is that the seals have gone a bit and leaks transmission fluid. I have a drip tray in the garage and it would leak, only a couple of tablespoons of fluid every couple of months. So every couple of months I had to top it up. So in recent years it cost me about £9 or £10 year in transmission fluid. That is a fairly low-cost compared to putting in a new gearbox. The last few years I have been thinking about selling the car so I haven’t replaced the gearbox.
MM: impressive and not bad at all
DL: Well that’s about it.
MM: Absolutely fantastic, and thank you very much for sharing your story with us.
We would like to say a big thanks to David for spending time with us and sharing his unique story.
John Wick car has started to look like a car now. It’s funny but as soon as glass starts to go in the car it looks so different. The front screen, rear screen and the right side glass has been fitted and aligned up now.
The front end has started to have some of trim added and the rear trunk is now locking via the key.
We have also taken some time with the owner of the car to strip out the steering and suspension for the car. This will give us an idea of the wear on the components and allow for a proper spray job on the car. Some of the bolts were a bent over in places and would not allow the nuts to be undone easily. To work round this the hubs and brakes all came of in one large piece each side. In all the excitement we forgot to take any pics of the “in progress” shots we like to do as it were. But as a lot of it was very dirty work and messy that was sort of the last thing on the mind at the time. A comment was made about who was taking the pictures, a large tumble weed rolled by the front of the car at this point! So we took some pictures of the disassembled parts to make up for it.
During the clean up of the shock tower areas under the upper control arms it was full of years worth of dirt and grime. When it was cleaned of we could see that the car has had some damage in the past and the bottom of the shock tower has been repaired with a seam welded plate.
The front chassis leg on the right hand side has seen better days and will need a new section in place. Like all these things – we have seen a lot worse.
The inner section of the engine bay is not to bad at all on first inspection. Once it has been cleaned up we will check it thickness and make sure it’s all OK.
The top of the inner wings are shot and will need replacing as well as the cowl to inner wing plates.
The upper control arms need replacing and the engine mounts themselves. We will take a close at the rest and especially the steering. The owner is not sure at the moment if the steering will be a rack & pinion Borgeson set up yet.
Shelby GT500 1:8th Model
As the weather was so nice we sat outside and built the latest four issues numbers thirty-seven to forty.
Simple case of adding the front chassis to the middle section. 4 screws and job done. This gives us the first indication of the length of the model. The second pic here shows a corresponding magazine laying next to the model. It’s going to be approx two A4 magazines long to put it simply.
These couple of parts are the first upward build of the base chassis. again very quick with only four screws.
This is the first part of the steering to be assembled. Once it has been completed the two front wheels will be attached to each other. The metal steering parts are held together by a couple of screws, but should be able to be moved so don’t over tighten them.
The steering has a few left/right side bespoke parts, these will be attached to the wheels from the earlier issues and will now need to be retrieved from storage. Again these parts will need to move so no over tightening.
Part chassis and part steering with this issue. The chassis has a couple mounting brackets which are screwed to the chassis which are generic to either side. The other part fits on the chassis in only one place.
Back to the steering again with the wheels, the remaining part of this will screw into the middle section of the steering. We found that the screw hole was a real tight here and had to have a couple of attempts to try to get the screw seated correctly. Perhaps a little paint got into the hole.
Now we have almost the full length of the model you can see how we store ours ready for the next part of the build.
For the rest of the build click the menu above, click here or past this link to your browser.
With all the projects on the go at the moment we are really leaving the WebShop to the office team. When Adam is back in the country he is also working on the cars. So we must stress again that we get calls asking if something is in stock; honestly, if the WebShop says in stock then it is in stock. We have also upped our game considerably to make the process as slick as possible for our customers. If you order by noon on a work day, then the parts are picked, packed and posted the same day so you should receive your parts the next day. If you order after that cut off point, then it will be a day later unless you want to pay the extra for the express postage which we can do for you.
With the hot weather looming again this week, we hope to enjoy the sun during a well-earned tea break, if we can that is.🙂